Hello everybody! I wanted to talk about any issues or confilicts i have with any KR members. When my app was denied, I pmed Falcon, asking why I was unaccepted. She politley answered:
Well, first let me start off by saying thank you for your pleasant response. Nice to have someone I can speak with like an adult for a change >.<
I'll get right down to it. The main reasons the members didn't see you as KR material was because of the following reasons (in no particular order):
1. Main problem is arguments. Some of the members have noticed that you have argued with trolls on server about very opinionated subjects. Also some have noticed that you actively look for people to argue with.
2. Some members feel that you argue about them not being "good enough admins".
3. It was noticed that once you got the {I} tag on after your name you would tend to bend the rules a bit, for example bypassing the filter and then complaining when told it was against the rules.
4. Also kind of a side point of the previous, after being told these things you would then be back doing the same thing 5 minutes later.
These were ALL understandable accusations and observations... however, I gave Falcon a response presenting my defense against these flaws:
I would also like to start my response with gratitude. Often it is hard to get a direct response to my questions online and its refreshing to hear one from someone as respected as yourself. I would also like to retort on your detail of response suggesting my "bending of the rules." Ive seen other people respond to council member comments and it did not end well for them. However, in my defense I truly DID have an issue with the way admins were working. I understand that admins are people too that I frequently talk to and laugh with, their personality isnt the issue. I suppose one of the admins who may have complained about MY complaints was -[KR]-Aeddan, admittingly, I may have been aggresive in my debating with his policies. I NEED you to understand that to me, what you call BENDING THE RULES when arguing with admins on the server was really a philisophical conversation debating morales and justice. I understand FULLY that this the KRs server and isnt open to verbal critisicm from non-members, but when im discussing the possibe ERRORS in rules, the admin -[KR-Aeddan threatened me indirectly, forgive me if im incorrect, but when i prompted his response to my complaints, he replied "keep pushing it phil." Theres probably more than 1000 reasons he may have been frustrated and I understand them all; its just that I wish to discuss rules and i request admin support when i need it. I felt hurt and threatened when he kept aggresivley shunning my suggestions with aggresive replies. Im not here to put ANYONE in trouble, I simply want you all to understand my position in this. I LIKE TO DEBATE. Not in the trolling kind of way... I like to vs my opinion to others both KR and not to see who has the better point.
If you all truly cant tolerate my debating issues I feel strongly about, than im willing to reduce it. But i really need to know if its HOW i present my complaints to admins, or that im presenting them at all.
Plz dont get me wrong, part of the reason i love this server is BECAUSE of its rules and honor system, i respect it and NEVER actually BREAK any of them. Thats why ive never been kicked, put to sleep, silenced, or even SLAPPED(any more than 1 time) by any admin. I thought this server was open to suggestions on the server. Im willing to take my complaints to the FORUMS if thats the issue.
I would also like to present my defense on the BYPASS THE FILTERING ISSUE, im sure many KRs would tell you that i TRULY didnt know that putting asterisks and shortened versions of curses was considered FLAMING and/or CURSING. It is said that i also complained when i was told it was. I disagree, I remember expressing dissapointment but not complaint, i said that i apologized for byppasing the filter and defended myself by saying that i didnt know that was ALSO considered part of the rules.
For the final observation you have on me, i did SOME of these things 5 minutes later because I saw most of these observations as OPINIONATED quarrels I had with KR members, not SET IN STONE rules. I do however apoligize for ANY times I may have bypassed the filter after i was told not to the first time.
You know I wouldnt make such a long response in my defense if I didnt want to join the KR server. There really isnt ANY other server i could wish to join. If you or any other KR member have more comments on my defense, plz tell me and Im willing to TALK IT OUT, so I hope to see you on the server again and have a good time with you all. Once again thank you for your MATURE response and CONSTRUCTIVE critisicm, despite my many complaints, I will meet you all half way through solving our differences if your willing to do the same.
Thx,
Phil
She replied to this by telling me that she didnt SEE any of this and was told this by other KR members, hence the reason I come to you all now. If you have questions about my defense or any conflicts you would like to resolve with me, im HAPPY to talk(after all its my favorite thing to do lol). I realize how long of a post this is and I thank you for reading thus far xD. I do this because I REALLY want to join this clan and want to settle any reason I cant be graced with such an honor lol! Hope to see you all on the server!
Well, first let me start off by saying thank you for your pleasant response. Nice to have someone I can speak with like an adult for a change >.<
I'll get right down to it. The main reasons the members didn't see you as KR material was because of the following reasons (in no particular order):
1. Main problem is arguments. Some of the members have noticed that you have argued with trolls on server about very opinionated subjects. Also some have noticed that you actively look for people to argue with.
2. Some members feel that you argue about them not being "good enough admins".
3. It was noticed that once you got the {I} tag on after your name you would tend to bend the rules a bit, for example bypassing the filter and then complaining when told it was against the rules.
4. Also kind of a side point of the previous, after being told these things you would then be back doing the same thing 5 minutes later.
These were ALL understandable accusations and observations... however, I gave Falcon a response presenting my defense against these flaws:
I would also like to start my response with gratitude. Often it is hard to get a direct response to my questions online and its refreshing to hear one from someone as respected as yourself. I would also like to retort on your detail of response suggesting my "bending of the rules." Ive seen other people respond to council member comments and it did not end well for them. However, in my defense I truly DID have an issue with the way admins were working. I understand that admins are people too that I frequently talk to and laugh with, their personality isnt the issue. I suppose one of the admins who may have complained about MY complaints was -[KR]-Aeddan, admittingly, I may have been aggresive in my debating with his policies. I NEED you to understand that to me, what you call BENDING THE RULES when arguing with admins on the server was really a philisophical conversation debating morales and justice. I understand FULLY that this the KRs server and isnt open to verbal critisicm from non-members, but when im discussing the possibe ERRORS in rules, the admin -[KR-Aeddan threatened me indirectly, forgive me if im incorrect, but when i prompted his response to my complaints, he replied "keep pushing it phil." Theres probably more than 1000 reasons he may have been frustrated and I understand them all; its just that I wish to discuss rules and i request admin support when i need it. I felt hurt and threatened when he kept aggresivley shunning my suggestions with aggresive replies. Im not here to put ANYONE in trouble, I simply want you all to understand my position in this. I LIKE TO DEBATE. Not in the trolling kind of way... I like to vs my opinion to others both KR and not to see who has the better point.
If you all truly cant tolerate my debating issues I feel strongly about, than im willing to reduce it. But i really need to know if its HOW i present my complaints to admins, or that im presenting them at all.
Plz dont get me wrong, part of the reason i love this server is BECAUSE of its rules and honor system, i respect it and NEVER actually BREAK any of them. Thats why ive never been kicked, put to sleep, silenced, or even SLAPPED(any more than 1 time) by any admin. I thought this server was open to suggestions on the server. Im willing to take my complaints to the FORUMS if thats the issue.
I would also like to present my defense on the BYPASS THE FILTERING ISSUE, im sure many KRs would tell you that i TRULY didnt know that putting asterisks and shortened versions of curses was considered FLAMING and/or CURSING. It is said that i also complained when i was told it was. I disagree, I remember expressing dissapointment but not complaint, i said that i apologized for byppasing the filter and defended myself by saying that i didnt know that was ALSO considered part of the rules.
For the final observation you have on me, i did SOME of these things 5 minutes later because I saw most of these observations as OPINIONATED quarrels I had with KR members, not SET IN STONE rules. I do however apoligize for ANY times I may have bypassed the filter after i was told not to the first time.
You know I wouldnt make such a long response in my defense if I didnt want to join the KR server. There really isnt ANY other server i could wish to join. If you or any other KR member have more comments on my defense, plz tell me and Im willing to TALK IT OUT, so I hope to see you on the server again and have a good time with you all. Once again thank you for your MATURE response and CONSTRUCTIVE critisicm, despite my many complaints, I will meet you all half way through solving our differences if your willing to do the same.
Thx,
Phil
She replied to this by telling me that she didnt SEE any of this and was told this by other KR members, hence the reason I come to you all now. If you have questions about my defense or any conflicts you would like to resolve with me, im HAPPY to talk(after all its my favorite thing to do lol). I realize how long of a post this is and I thank you for reading thus far xD. I do this because I REALLY want to join this clan and want to settle any reason I cant be graced with such an honor lol! Hope to see you all on the server!
