[Archaic]

I understand where you are coming from, Jato, I simply don't believe avoiding conflict or discussion solves anything. Better to actively work it out, rather than try to run away from it in an effort to not step on anyone's toes or hurt someone's feelings. I don't think I or anyone else in this thread posted anything that could be construed as a personal attack or hurt, intentional or otherwise, but if you took it that way then I apologize.

And Necros, how can you "Like" something that you typed the most against?

[Necros]

And Necros, how can you "Like" something that you typed the most against?

The topic that I feel I typed the most against was the idea of Wikipedia being a valid source for validating the video's claims, not the whole point of this thread.

I personally feel the 9/11 tragedy is a very touchy subject, much like religion or various other topics, that should be avoided in this type of environment, that being the KR forums. Does that mean it should be avoided entirely? No, just here is not the right locale persay.

[Archaic]

Oh okay, well I agree with you there about Wikipedia. I've read an article about the founder (although it read more like an advertisement) in which he states that Wikipedia was never supposed to be the end all be all of reference, but rather just a beginning, a springboard of ideas to push the reader further in investigation.

[Jato]

Better to actively work it out, rather than try to run away from it in an effort to not step on anyone's toes or hurt someone's feelings.

Well said friend. And in MOST cases I would actually agree with you! I just think this topic itself is (as necros worded perfectly) a "touchy subject" and I believe its one of those few that should be left alone. Do you understand where I am coming from?

[Wind]

I have my opinion of this incident, and I don't necessarily have to watch this movie to validate any part of my conclusion to what happened. Necros has a point though, this particular subject can and inevitably will hit many nerves and sore spots.

Bush isn't my absolute number one favorite guy, but as long as he stays out of Canada, I couldn't honestly care less what the American government does, even if he isn't part of the actual government =.=

[donykerio]

Bush isn't my absolute number one favorite guy, but as long as he stays out of Canada, I couldn't honestly care less what the American government does, even if he isn't part of the actual government =.=

Dont you think that its kinda egoistic to say that? I mean you dont care when there are wrong things occur, as long as it doesnt concern you. I hope I misunderstood what you said.

[Jato]

And this is what I was meaning...

[Wind]

Dony, unless you would like me to lie to my family here, then you haven't misunderstood a thing. I'm not trying to be cruel, but as a Canadian, knowing what my country stands for, I can't actively take part in violence that happens beyond our borders unless it effects me too. Which this particular event did in a way. That's why I'm saying what I said. I'm not heartless, Bush just has too many things on his head that are worth questioning, specifically sitting in a classroom doing absolutely nothing while it occurred. I don't want to take part in anything he does because too much violence comes afterwards.

[Wind]

sitting in a classroom doing absolutely nothing while it occurred.

There's video of this somewhere on the internet, I've seen it

[Wind]

Bush isn't my absolute number one favorite guy, but as long as he stays out of Canada, I couldn't honestly care less what the American government does, even if he isn't part of the actual government =.=

I mean you dont care when there are wrong things occur, as long as it doesnt concern you.
I misunderstood what you said.

It's not to be said that I don't feel bad about what happens, or anything that happens. I feel bad about 9/11, I feel bad about what happened recently in Colorado. When I say what I said, I mean I don't want people like him where I live because, again, too many bad things happen when he's involved. Scandal, treachery, feud. Too much. In this respect, you misunderstood.

[Jato]

This should be locked before it gets out of hand.... I think this topic is too touchy..... (my opinion once again and with that i think ill leave this topic behind)

[Necros]

This should be locked before it gets out of hand.... I think this topic is too touchy..... (my opinion once again and with that i think ill leave this topic behind)

Seconded.

[Archaic]

Wind, so you feel bad, you just don't want to personally do anything about it. That is your right. Your government disagrees with you and has contributed. And your views on Bush are certainly popular with the kids these days, but kids have been saying all that about every president for the last 50 years. As for the morning of 9/11 in the classroom, what would you have had him do, grow a thousand feet tall and swat the planes out of the air meanwhile holding the towers up? His advisers in Washington were taking care of the situation as best they could, since they were in the best position to do so and as the 9/11 Commission has authenticated. I'm not saying that you are wrong to hold your opinions, but I have debated against opinions exactly like yours for many years now lol.

Jato and Necros, I think all of us here are still friends with each other and I'm still convinced that my fellow KR family members are mature enough to discuss adult topics. This isn't a random internet forum after all.

[Jato]

I couldn't honestly care less what the American government does

Dont you think that its kinda egoistic to say that?

As for the morning of 9/11 in the classroom, what would you have had him do, grow a thousand feet tall and swat the planes out of the air meanwhile holding the towers up?

Comments like this can hurt feelings as they come across as snide and condescending. I'm pretty confident that was not your intentions but even still... I honestly don't like coming onto our form and reading things like this.. inteded or not. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.

I don't believe this represents our KR spirit

'nough said....

[Archaic]

Well stated, but of course there is always the option for those not wanting to be involved in the discussion to simply not read it.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, and of course defer to moderator discretion.

[brainkillz]

sitting in a classroom doing absolutely nothing while it occurred.

There's video of this somewhere on the internet, I've seen it

He didn't leave right away because he didn't want to tell the children "Hey I have to go because terrorists are attacking america and thousands of people are dying." You can see his facial expression is worried/shocked when the guy whispers in his ear. The funny thing though, he was actually only 30 minutes away from where I was going to school at the time xD

[Jato]

Well stated, but of course there is always the option for those not wanting to be involved in the discussion to simply not read it.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, and of course defer to moderator discretion. :wink:

Touche my friend, it seems we shall.

[Wind]

Wind, so you feel bad, you just don't want to personally do anything about it. That is your right. Your government disagrees with you and has contributed. And your views on Bush are certainly popular with the kids these days, but kids have been saying all that about every president for the last 50 years. As for the morning of 9/11 in the classroom, what would you have had him do, grow a thousand feet tall and swat the planes out of the air meanwhile holding the towers up? His advisers in Washington were taking care of the situation as best they could, since they were in the best position to do so and as the 9/11 Commission has authenticated. I'm not saying that you are wrong to hold your opinions, but I have debated against opinions exactly like yours for many years now lol.

I can understand how you might be obliviously ignorant to the fact that I'm not a kid, that I'm a person, and I have views that have a right to be spoken. I enjoy a little constructive criticism, but this is hardly constructive, hm? I understand that you're ignorant to that because of your inability to consider other people you deem apparently below you, and so you call them children, and have them question their own country and it's involvements in an incident that happened over ten years ago. I know why Mr. Harper, the idiot of idiots, disagrees with me is because he's so afraid to offend you people, because America is our number one ally. We trade with you, you trade with us, and we have a nice economy because of it. Now look, he's petitioning for fighter jets and the whatnot useless weaponry that will cost millions, if not billions of dollars to support. What the hell do we need that for? I understand any other country, but I do not, and will not understand why mine has a need for it. The Canadian Ideal is peace. I don't expect you to understand let alone agree, simply because I'm typing this, and not someone else. What I would have Bush do, is simply get up, and go try to reassure and help the people who were scared and probably thinking, "Where's our president? Why isn't he assuring us that we're safe?" I'm sure even you can agree fear is an amazing weapon. Assuming the role of leader is not about sitting on your rump when things start exploding.

[Falcon]

Mk, locking this.