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normally goes two ways
pc users bitch about macs even though they never used one..
make rubbish cost allegations about how its cheaper etc and bang for buck etc without doing maths.
there will be some obscure game reference in there aswell, they will also claim they can get virii on macs when they cannot.
mac users bitch about vista and now windows 7 even though they never used it ..
they also will deny fanatically that at corporate level their business etiquette is non parrallaled to what MS offer meaning they are not good enough and cannot even come near
Mac users also feel the need to get precious about their hardware and if they feel threatened lash out like a bitch go home and make violent love to their computer whilst crying.
ultimately any fan boy or girl is an ignorant idiot.
hammer down
haveing used both mac and pc
i have to say well set up pc's leave macs for dead,
and haveing used windows 98, Me, 2000, SBS 2000 & 2003 ,Xp, vista, and had a look at windows 7
i can say vista is by far the most difficult to get used to,
it is very memory hungry and, people say that they cannot run older game somn it (they just dont know how to used windows vista as an administrator), Xp is buy far my fav OS out of them.
the only thing i find better on a mac is its Media setup, itsa much more user friendly when ur using Photo shop, or other such programs
but honostly its ur choice whether u use a mac or pc , Vista or Xp
its all the users choice, there really isnt a right or wrong chocie its whatever you arte most comforable usign
thats my opinion
Tai
i have to say well set up pc's leave macs for dead,
and haveing used windows 98, Me, 2000, SBS 2000 & 2003 ,Xp, vista, and had a look at windows 7
i can say vista is by far the most difficult to get used to,
it is very memory hungry and, people say that they cannot run older game somn it (they just dont know how to used windows vista as an administrator), Xp is buy far my fav OS out of them.
the only thing i find better on a mac is its Media setup, itsa much more user friendly when ur using Photo shop, or other such programs
but honostly its ur choice whether u use a mac or pc , Vista or Xp
its all the users choice, there really isnt a right or wrong chocie its whatever you arte most comforable usign
thats my opinion
Tai
i agree. ive used both mac and pc, from os 9 to os x 10.5 and from windows 98 thru windows 7.
it is completely user preference.
i had two mac laptops however and both of them ended up having problems. one had a memory issue while the other had a hard drive failure. both not my fault. makes me question why they love their hardware so much.
personally, i enjoy using vista more than xp. it does use more resources and hard drive space, but i have plenty of both and i would much rather run vista than xp. however, windows 7, while still in beta, seems to be better than both.
i think the whole mac vs windows thing is a bit over the top. they both take different approaches to the same problem. it just depends which one the user happens to like more.
it is completely user preference.
i had two mac laptops however and both of them ended up having problems. one had a memory issue while the other had a hard drive failure. both not my fault. makes me question why they love their hardware so much.
personally, i enjoy using vista more than xp. it does use more resources and hard drive space, but i have plenty of both and i would much rather run vista than xp. however, windows 7, while still in beta, seems to be better than both.
i think the whole mac vs windows thing is a bit over the top. they both take different approaches to the same problem. it just depends which one the user happens to like more.
Just a quick heads up, if this turns into Mac / PC flame war this topic will be locked
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I think the video is an example of what Melissa was saying, even though she was joking of course.
These flame wars are fuelled with ignorant cliché misconceptions.
For me I quite like Macintosh and their layout. They combine a closed hardware and software system which on the whole is clean.
However for me they fall down in many areas
I like to spec my own computer, they are no good for work, they are horrendous in corporates integration and working in AD is nothing short of a pain... They useless in Engineering/ modelling / CAD. Also of course gaming.
Of course MS are guilty of their own problems.. Some of them they seem to be trying to rectify in windows 7. I think they realised they had to clean up their act.
So yes it comes down to what people want.. If it suits either choice is excellent. Its just good we don't have Darko and Orange with chips on their shoulders who exacerbate these discussions
These flame wars are fuelled with ignorant cliché misconceptions.
For me I quite like Macintosh and their layout. They combine a closed hardware and software system which on the whole is clean.
However for me they fall down in many areas
I like to spec my own computer, they are no good for work, they are horrendous in corporates integration and working in AD is nothing short of a pain... They useless in Engineering/ modelling / CAD. Also of course gaming.
Of course MS are guilty of their own problems.. Some of them they seem to be trying to rectify in windows 7. I think they realised they had to clean up their act.
So yes it comes down to what people want.. If it suits either choice is excellent. Its just good we don't have Darko and Orange with chips on their shoulders who exacerbate these discussions
Chantelle
It comes down to not what is the best, but what is the best for you, if yor job involves any kind of art subject (which includes music etc) then you probably want a mac but if you are an accountant etc then you probably want a PC, at the end of the day, neither are 'better', they just have their plus and minus points 
"It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."- Saint Augustine
A Mac is limited in business use however, and corporate setup it falls down.
There isnt as much infrastructure there.
Small or say web based or data based companies fine.. But big market or manufacturing.. site-2-sites. Of course aswell engineering.. It has no Engineering which is crucial. with CAD CAM and modelling design engineering such a huge facet in modern business..
We have a few Macs where I work but they are good for what they do... a stand alone computer.. despite what many tell you they integrate like a dog with Active Directory.
There isnt as much infrastructure there.
Small or say web based or data based companies fine.. But big market or manufacturing.. site-2-sites. Of course aswell engineering.. It has no Engineering which is crucial. with CAD CAM and modelling design engineering such a huge facet in modern business..
We have a few Macs where I work but they are good for what they do... a stand alone computer.. despite what many tell you they integrate like a dog with Active Directory.
Chantelle
I made a thread some time ago on several fora aswell as here about an iMac at work..
On that occasion I think he System was corrupt as it was hell to use..
That Said I love the hardware and aesthetics they use..
Ended up getting XP put on it.. While it wasn't going to be intensively used other than basic apps. It just made sense to keep things universal.
I would potentially consider one for home however..
Problem is these threads often turn into shit fights, there are a lot of people who get too wound up in it all.
On that occasion I think he System was corrupt as it was hell to use..
That Said I love the hardware and aesthetics they use..
Ended up getting XP put on it.. While it wasn't going to be intensively used other than basic apps. It just made sense to keep things universal.
I would potentially consider one for home however..
Problem is these threads often turn into shit fights, there are a lot of people who get too wound up in it all.
Grimm wrote:i agree. ive used both mac and pc, from os 9 to os x 10.5 and from windows 98 thru windows 7.I agree completely with this post.
it is completely user preference.
i had two mac laptops however and both of them ended up having problems. one had a memory issue while the other had a hard drive failure. both not my fault. makes me question why they love their hardware so much.
personally, i enjoy using vista more than xp. it does use more resources and hard drive space, but i have plenty of both and i would much rather run vista than xp. however, windows 7, while still in beta, seems to be better than both.
i think the whole mac vs windows thing is a bit over the top. they both take different approaches to the same problem. it just depends which one the user happens to like more.
After being a solid Windows user for all my life, I recently decided to borrow a Macbook Air from my work in order to improve my knowledge on the operating system functionality and design.
Now I had it on product loan for a duration of approximately a month and to be honest I feel in love with it. The looks, the speed, and sleekness of the operating system won me over. Now while it was brilliant for everything I wanted to use it for- primarily browsing the web, doing homework, and being on MSN. I realise however that a Mac does not cater for everyones use- like Chan mentioned those that have uses relating to CAD they are totally useless.
So really as Grimm said above "it just depends which one the user happens to like more". It's down to user preference.
Pho~
Phoenix wrote:I realise however that a Mac does not cater for everyones use- like Chan mentioned those that have uses relating to CAD they are totally useless.I have to disagree, you go to any graphic design studio and I guarantee you that they will have at least one mac there.
"It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."- Saint Augustine
saunby wrote:GD and CAD are totally a different ball game.Phoenix wrote:I realise however that a Mac does not cater for everyones use- like Chan mentioned those that have uses relating to CAD they are totally useless.I have to disagree, you go to any graphic design studio and I guarantee you that they will have at least one mac there.
GD would be more ideally suited to Mac.
Cad production and corporate engineering are pretty much complete no go on a Mac whatsoever, especially at professional level.
Although many media and web companies may be solely mac, where there are businesses which have macs in.. Your likely to find they are integrated into a Windows network. Or a netware network.
Large and corporate networking infastructures Apple just do not compete at. While there are some cases and yes there are often Macs in businesses they are normally a large of a larger windows or another structure.
Personally I find the gulf between a full blown Pro Mac and a basic cheap end Mac large... Its nice kit.. But what about the Mid range of the range where I have a mid range PC yet a better card in..
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Melissa wrote:I'll admit they are different (rather than argue like a know it all haha) but it comes down to what sort of CAD, because to be technical about it, when you design something/anything on a computer, it is arguably CAD but obviously for something like architects etc it is a different ball game in the same ball parksaunby wrote:GD and CAD are totally a different ball game.Phoenix wrote:I realise however that a Mac does not cater for everyones use- like Chan mentioned those that have uses relating to CAD they are totally useless.I have to disagree, you go to any graphic design studio and I guarantee you that they will have at least one mac there.
GD would be more ideally suited to Mac.
Cad production and corporate engineering are pretty much complete no go on a Mac whatsoever, especially at professional level.
Although many media and web companies may be solely mac, where there are businesses which have macs in.. Your likely to find they are integrated into a Windows network. Or a netware network.
Large and corporate networking infastructures Apple just do not compete at. While there are some cases and yes there are often Macs in businesses they are normally a large of a larger windows or another structure.
Personally I find the gulf between a full blown Pro Mac and a basic cheap end Mac large... Its nice kit.. But what about the Mid range of the range where I have a mid range PC yet a better card in..
"It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."- Saint Augustine
Fair comment you have taken CAD in a disambiguation.
Where I work the office next door we have around 70 engineers who design and model cutting edge. They model trucks cars and refuse trucks so its all new hydraulics etc..
Know little about the stuff they model but the stuff that engineers use now is impressive!! sync 3D hands on modelling is so impressive
Where I work the office next door we have around 70 engineers who design and model cutting edge. They model trucks cars and refuse trucks so its all new hydraulics etc..
Know little about the stuff they model but the stuff that engineers use now is impressive!! sync 3D hands on modelling is so impressive
Chantelle
Chantelle wrote:Fair comment you have taken CAD in a disambiguation.Yeah I mean for that sort of thing it is a bit different but as I said it is a wide range
Where I work the office next door we have around 70 engineers who design and model cutting edge. They model trucks cars and refuse trucks so its all new hydraulics etc..
Know little about the stuff they model but the stuff that engineers use now is impressive!! sync 3D hands on modelling is so impressive
"It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all."- Saint Augustine
Ill level with you saunby you lost me at least totally. Cad is by definition a technical architectural and engineering design technology.
I don't get the graphic design element in it.. surely they are a different department.. or concept. Sureley its art is more marketing and branding. I think I might know where your coming from. But If you was asked on Cad skills they wouldnt even be thinking anywhere near photoshop..
edit: not to go office topic before the forum police jump on me since I am public enemy number 1 round here..
I just honestly do not understand what he is on about lol
I don't get the graphic design element in it.. surely they are a different department.. or concept. Sureley its art is more marketing and branding. I think I might know where your coming from. But If you was asked on Cad skills they wouldnt even be thinking anywhere near photoshop..
edit: not to go office topic before the forum police jump on me since I am public enemy number 1 round here..
I just honestly do not understand what he is on about lol
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lol wasn't reffering to you. But at times I only have to make a post which doesn't contain any word of the title and you get people threatening to lock this topic or I get moaned at..
Of course if people detracts from a live issue or cause a shit fight that's different.
Of course if people detracts from a live issue or cause a shit fight that's different.
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Try to keep it on topic Pho , don't make me lock it!
And if I read between the lines of what Melissa is saying, I get
And if I read between the lines of what Melissa is saying, I get
Melissa wrote:Of course if people detracts from a live issue or cause a sh!t fight that's different.jk - don't kill me :/
See what you did there 
.. Either your that Or Jawfin your using my posts to subtly state your real thoughts in which case its “flame by Proxy”. I am held accountable for that?
On a serious note I am only half serious about public enemy number one. There have been several times I felt people are quick to try and police you down. I was helping a PC thread and got told off before.
.. Either your that Or Jawfin your using my posts to subtly state your real thoughts in which case its “flame by Proxy”. I am held accountable for that?On a serious note I am only half serious about public enemy number one. There have been several times I felt people are quick to try and police you down. I was helping a PC thread and got told off before.
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Wee waw wee waw! Your in violation of the forum law!
The topic was Mac's are useful for nothing other than expensive paperweights.....or at least thats what I reckon I would go into details about the pro's and con's but typing about a Mac isnt worth the wear and tear on my fingers.
I may be biased though...
And for irony's sake look at my post count(for americans at least)
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The topic was Mac's are useful for nothing other than expensive paperweights.....or at least thats what I reckon I would go into details about the pro's and con's but typing about a Mac isnt worth the wear and tear on my fingers.
I may be biased though...
And for irony's sake look at my post count(for americans at least)
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