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 #142800  by Lord Rikan
 
The second Tolkien related versus series. I decided to choose two of my favourite Maiar's of his legendarium: Mithrandir and Sauron. As we have seen in both films and books, the two lesser Ainur possessed several forms like Gandalf changing from Grey to White and Sauron going from mighty lieutenant of Morgoth to bodyless Necromancer to Lord of the Rings.
In order to achieve an interesting and balanced fight I decided to pick Gandalf as Gandalf the White and Sauron from the early events of the Silmariliion, specifically the War of the Elves and Sauron in the 2nd age.

Sauron, the Great Eye, the Enemy
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Abilities and Weapons:
Sauron was among the mightiest of the Maiar. Originally of Aulë's people, he acquired great "scientific" knowledge of the world's substances and how to use them. Sauron also seemed primarily linked to the use of fire, and as Morgoth's chief lieutenant, his ability to tap into the fires in the earth was of great value.
Sauron was also a master of disguise, during his battle against Luthien and Huan in The Silmarillion has him taking on no less than four separate shapes: his "normal" shape, presumed to be that of some kind of terrible dark sorcerer, a great wolf, a serpent, and finally a vampire "dripping blood from his throat upon the trees" ("Of Beren and Lúthien," The Silmarillion).
Sauron is a 9 ft tall being, clad in armour most often carrying weapons such as mace and a long sword. Sauron was mostly known to steal the souls of his opponents he considered to be worthy, before destroying them with his mace or dark magic. Sauron could easily evoke fire which he would cast upon his enemies as well. His use of illusions and plagues was also not to be underestimated.

Mithrandir, wielder of the Flame of Arnor
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Abilities and Weapons:
Gandalf primarily used his staff, but also carried a sword in combat. Sometimes during combat, Gandalf would be seen wielding both weapons against his enemies. Gandalf utilised his staff for various spells and abilities. He didn't use it just as a weapon; he also utilised a staff as if it were a walking stick. He initially had an old wooden staff which he lost in the Mines of Moria while fighting the Balrog. He used a new one upon becoming Gandalf the White. After the 1st and 2nd age, the intense use of magic and especially black magic was prohibited that is why Gandalf used spells in only drastic situations or when there was no other way but to use one.
Some of the spells he could use: lightning bolts, aura shields, fire bolts, healing powers, gravitational powers/destructive powers.
Glamdring was the sword Gandalf found in a troll cave alongside with Thorin Oakenshield, with the sword Orcrist, the Goblin Cleaver. From then, he used this as a weapon to complement his staff, wielding them with equal skill. In many cases, he fought with both weapons at once. Glamdring (also called Foe-Hammer) was a one-and-a-half-handed sword, forged for Turgon, the King of Gondolin during the First Age, it would glow bright whenever enemies came near ''That is the Foe Hammer! The Beater, bright as daylight'' (Goblin King, from The Hobbit).


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Who do you think would win? I will try my best to give you an accurate answer once I see some of your responses :wink:
 #142802  by John
 
Is this a serious question?
 #142805  by Shink
 
Sauron: You'd need pretty much everyone to beat him, and a loophole, like the lore has conveyed. I don't think there's many enemies in any realm of sci-fi that come close, based upon how the literature/movies portray his power.

A better match would be Sauron v. Voldemort. No use destroying of particular rings or horcruxes allowed.
 #142807  by Zaluk
 
This could actually be a legit battle and a close one, only if Gandalf isn't restricted in what he can do though. throughout LOTR I believe his use of magic was capped. As both are Maiar, they'd be fairly close in power, I think. I think I remember reading somewhere than Sauron was the strongest of the Maiar and for that, I'd say he'd win.

Close fight though, if Gandalf isn't restricted.
 #142831  by Lord Rikan
 
Maybe its because you didnt read the Silmarillion or maybe I should have explained myself in better terms, Sauron during the War of the Elves was less strong compared to the events in the prologue of Lotr Fellowship of the Ring. Let's also say that Eru Illuvatar grants them the possibility to fight with intense use of magic, trust me the fight would be interesting because on one side you got Gandalf in his prime on the other side you have Sauron who is weaker when compared to his prime yet he is a terrible foe. Their power could be even, I chose this challenge because in 2014 I once asked Professor Lee (an expert in Tolkien literature) the same question during a summer camp and he said it could be an interesting challenge because he mentioned that at those stages they have even potential so trust me, get creative. If you dont want to its ok.