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 #142148  by Frog
 
The Dúnadan Ranger meets the war Captain of Gondor
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Aragorn, son of Arathorn.
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Boromir, son of Denethor
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The two fighters will battle for victory in the desolate woods of Amon Hen, at the dispute of the One Ring.
Cast your votes/arguement, and determine the fate of the warriors.
 #142150  by Zaluk
 
I'm no where near as well versed in the Tolkien verse than I am Star Wars or even DC, but I still has an opinion!

I think I'll be in the minority here, but I actually think Boromir can win this. As Captain-General of Gondor for years, he had tons of experience fighting Orcs of Mordor and keeping them at bay and as he says "keeping your lands safe!". Aragorn is older than Boromir, but at the same time, I think Boromir has more experience.
Not to mention Boromir tanked 2 arrows and kept fighting in the movies. In the book it was even more impressive. He actually made the Uruk horde turn tail and run, before they reformed and came back fiercer.

It'd be incredibly close, but I think the heir of the Steward of Gondor can take Isildur's descendant.

Boromir may even die of his injuries after, but I believe he can win the fight.
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That said, I'd love to hear everyone else's opinion on this.
 #142153  by Frog
 
Similar to what Zaluk said, I really have little experience in these matters. However, I feel like Aragorn is more skilled in his blade-work and can outmatch Boromir. Also I think Aragorn has more variety in his abilities, such as using a bow and arrow efficiently. I will give it to Boromir for being able to stand and absorb so much pain, but I think that skill and variety is more important. That said, my +1 vote to Aragorn.
 #142156  by Squidlord
 
I vote for Aragorn. He is an extremely skilled fighter, and fights off trolls single handedly a few times which is not something to overlook. He has strength, agility and a heck of a lot of skill.
+1 Aragorn
 #142167  by Gollum
 
Since Zal's going to get on my rear for making a joke post I'll try to let off a serious one.

Aragorn would be twice Boromir's age, and as a result I think Aragorn would have a bit more experience and have fought in more battles, for a couple examples: he became one of Ecthelion II's most trusted and loyal retainers (Ecthelion II is Boromir's grandfather), and also fought along other kings such as Thengel (Théoden's father).

Although I know less about Boromir's battles and victories, I know as a commander of Gondor he and his company successfully defended Osgiliath against Sauron's assault. Also as mentioned above by Zal, he managed to go solo against several dozen Orcs (I know they're usually referred as Uruks, but on wikis I've looked at they called them orcs. Either way he solo'd several dozen large pieces of meat!), and was able to fend them off for a while before succumbing to his arrow wounds. As impressive as he was in battle against large numbers, Aragorn also faced large amounts of enemies, and was able to take on trolls and even fend off five Ringwraiths single-handedly.

I'm gonna have to say that between the two I find Aragorn more experienced, as he was taking on battles before Boromir was even born, and he was able to meet Boromir's feats of taking on large amounts of enemies (at the battle of Helm's Deep, and the Morannon as examples), but I think Boromir would outmatch him in strength, as even the sword he wields was usually a two-handed, but he was capable of using it effectively in one hand and wield his shield with the other (I think at some point in the movie though Aragorn manages to lock with a troll and hold him for a moment or something? Can't remember, but not sure if the book depicts that at all or anything so I'm just gonna leave that out unless someone can shine light for me).

Soooo my thoughts would be that Aragorn's finesse and more experience as a swordsman would give him the edge he needs to outmatch Boromir's strength and durability, although it's going to be a hell of a fight. If it was just a sword duel, I would give this to Aragorn, but... if Boromir has his shield as well, and Aragorn is simply wielding his blade alone, Boromir would win without a doubt to me, because he would be able to block Aragorn effectively, possibly bashing him and staggering him, and his strength+endurance would give him that additional edge in being able to take him down. I don't think Aragorn would be able to get past his defense if he has a shield. Perhaps I just don't know how effective that a shield is in a duel like this, someone correct me if I understand that situation incorrectly!


P.S. I STAYED UP UNTIL 4AM JUST FOR YOU ZAL SO YEAH
 #142168  by Zaluk
 
Something to note
Gollum wrote:
he managed to go solo against several dozen Orcs (I know they're usually referred as Uruks, but on wikis I've looked at they called them orcs.
I think Orc is sometimes used as a general term for anything like Goblins, Uruks and Orcs.

In Moria they often referred to the Goblins as Orcs, if I recall correctly. And Saruman did the same with Uruks.
In fact, if one translates Uruk-Hai, it means "Orc Folk". I think they're all just different kinds of Orcs.

You make great points regarding Aragorn's experience Goll, but one must not forget that after all that he spent a lot of time in exile, which may have dampened the usefulness of his experience perhaps? Also, during his battle with the Nazgul he had the element of fire on his side, which Nazgul are weak to apparently.

Whereas Aragorn spent a lot of time in exile, Boromir was fighting for pretty much his whole life.
According to wiki, during the battle for Eastern Osgiliath he, his brother, and two others were the only survivors of the unit that held the bridge until its destruction, which is pretty damn impressive.

The way I see it is this.

Skill: Aragorn has an edge.
Physical Abilities: Boromir has an edge.

The fact that they're so close in skill though makes me think that the physical abilities will be incredibly important and Boromir can just take more damage.

I also think his battle experience will be useful. To recap, he was keeping the armies of Mordor at bay for years and as he says "Keeping your lands safe!".

One may say well....

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but Boromir was dead by the time this happened (I think) and they were the forces of Isengard, not Mordor.

In the end I still think Boromir can take it. And yeah, a shield is a significant advantage, especially in historical terms.
 #142171  by Squidlord
 
I still feel like Aragorn has quite a lot of physical strength, I mean he survived plunging over a cliff while stuck to the wolf/beast which he was mounted on, falling into raging rapids where he would no doubt have been battered pretty badly, arriving on the shores unconscious.

Yes boromir took 3 arrows but is that a sign of physical or mental strength? Was he so intent on protecting the hobits that his mind simply wouldn't let him stop? I'm not sure, either way I feel that both of these men hold a great amount of strength, and although many have argued boromir is the more predominant physically, I feel that both men are quite close in this area.

Boromir took 3 arrows and has a wealth of experience. Aragorn manages to fend off trolls on multiple occasions and although living in exile, clearly displays a similar level of battle knowledge.


All in all, I still think Aragorn would come out on top of this conflict, with the possible exception of boromir is having his shield, but even then, Aragorn has displayed the ability to easily disarm shield bearers.
 #142184  by Zaluk
 
Oh yeah Squid perhaps I should have been clear. In physical abilities they are pretty close, but I think their skill is closer than the gap between physical abilities.

That said, while they are close in physical abilities, I still think Boromir takes an advantage. You make a decent point about the 3 arrows, but I doubt it's beyond his usual ability and it's because he was focused on the Hobbits.

As mentioned before, Boromir, Faramir and 2 others were able to hold the line on Eastern Osgiliath by themselves until the bridge collapsed. It's fair to say Boromir took his fair share of hits there, considering the small amount of help he had against such an overwhelming foe such as Mordor, unless of course, you'd say he was skilled enough to walk out of there unscathed.

If you accept Boromir took some hits there, it should be noted that Boromir was capable of swimming through the river Anduin to safety right after, showing immense amounts of stamina and possibly pain tolerance.

Also, you're right, Aragorn has easily beaten shield wielding foes (such as Uruk-Hai), but none were as skilled as the Captain-General of Gondor :>
 #142400  by Lord Rikan
 
I'd never thought that my diploma on Tolkien Literature will be of use here. Just give ma a minute and I will give you the richest and most detailed response.
 #142401  by Zaluk
 
Lord Rikan wrote:I'd never thought that my diploma on Tolkien Literature will be of use here. Just give ma a minute and I will give you the richest and most detailed response.

#hyped

Always willing to learn more about the Tolkien verse. In fact, I've recently bought all 3 of the LOTR books to read as well as the Silmarillion :>
 #142407  by Lord Rikan
 
I could write an essay about Tolkien if possible but I will try to be as brief as possible.

Boromir, son of Denethor, Captain of the White Tower
During his time in the Third Age Boromir was one of the greatest warriors and leaders in Gondor. He was valiant, disruptive, proud, loyal, courageous and skilled. He was very dissimilar to his father and brother, Faramir, but he was fond of both of them. Boromir was very proud of being a son of Gondor, he loved Minas Tirith so much that he was always on the front lines fighting for his city and his people. If not for Boromir, Osghiliath would have fallen to the hands of the Enemy way before the summoning of the Council of Elrond. However, he was never interested in the lore of Middle Earth unlike his father, he was more of a man of arms.
Boromir was skilled with sword and shield, with that combination of weapons, he would defenitely slay dozen of Orcs. On the battlefield of Osgiliath, Boromir knew how to move around, since it was his territory in forest plains Boromir would certainly still show off his skill as soldier but would be less advantaged compared to Aragorn.
Boromir's sword was like its owner: big, broad, and powerful. To use it single-handed required someone with great strength in the arm and wrist, both of which this skilled warrior had in abundance. It is a hand and a half sword meaning Boromir could wield it with one hand allowing him to use his shield and as a two handed sword. Boromir is also a fit man, meaning that his physique was molded to be used to wars, fights or any sort of task that included a battle.
A tool which truly defined his spirit as a warrior was his horn. The Horn of Gondor had a great value for Boromir as he would sound it before the beginning of a quest or to frighten his foes, infact in Moria, after leaving the chamber of Mazarbul where Balin was buried, he sounded his horn that caused the Moria Orcs and the Balrog himself to pause for some time. Boromir could scare armies and even a demon of the ancient world, a demon of Angband......impressive right?

Aragorn, Isildur's bane, Elessar and King of Gondor
when his father Arathorn died, at the age of 2 years old, Aragorn moved to Imladris with his mother to seek refuge. There his name was changed to Estel, and lived with the Elves for many years. He was trained by the Elves to be a skilled archer and fighter, there with Elrond's help he also studied much of Arda's lore. Once discovering his true nature, Aragorn frequented the rangers of the North becoming even a greater fighter and archer. He mastered his skills as explorer and ranger and henceforth became known in the wilds as Strider and in Rohan as Wingfoot. As a ranger Aragorn was trained to develop his stamina, hence he could go on without resting, eating or drinking for many days.
Once a young man, Aragorn became close to Mithrandir, Thengel father of Theoden, Legolas and to other Elven Lords. Though visiting his homeland very rarely, he did not have many friends in Gondor as he feared that his existance would lure spies of the Enemy or unsavoury people, even if in disguise. Aragorn knew how to fight properly with 1 handed and 2 handed swords, with bows and daggers and spears. Aragorn single handedly defeated 5 Nazguls, hunted Gollum from the plains of Ithilien til the boarders of the Shire.
As we all know, Aragorn faught in many important battles, from Amon Hen til the Gates of Mordor.
If not for Aragorn's strength if arms and will, the Battle of the Pelennor Fields would have been won by Sauron. Aragorn's mightiest weapon would obviously be Anduril, forged from the shards of Narsil. A weapon which scared both orcs and Sauron. Aragorn is truly powerful in spirit, he was tempted by Sauron and the Ring a couple of times and resisted all the times. Unlike Boromir who had been successfully tempted twice, though he did redeem himself.

Clash of the Herores
Certainly the Battle would last long. Boromir would rapidly give blows with his sword and bash Aragorn with his shield. He'd certainly always stay on foot, upright and strong, as told to do so since a boy. Aragorn with Anduril would give powerful strikes and lounges to his opponent, giving him some hard time to counter attack. Aragorn when open to a possible strike, would dodge the attacks, making Boromir lose some stamina. In Boromir's case if he was open to a possible strike, what he could do to prevent his death would be to use his shield or to sound his horn to scare the shit out of Aragorn, long enough to give him time to recover. Since they are fighting in Amon Hen, then Aragorn is advantaged as an earthy, wild like terrain is a territory he has been fighting and living in since a young age.
The battle would end with Aragorn as victorious but with these conditions:
- Aragorn will probably have a broken nose or some major injuries on his skull due to Boromir smashing his shield on his face
- Aragorn smashed Boromir's shield with Anduril
- both sustain injuries due to the slashing and clashing of swords
- Boromir loses much stamina because of Aragorn's agility on a terraneous battlefield
- Aragorn most likely has a broken rib or two due to his opponent
- Once fallen, Boromir would be given a quick but noble burial by his brother and king, Elessar

The End


P.S. I am coming up with a couple of cool Middle Earth ''fights''. See ya.
 #142408  by Zaluk
 
Awesome :> I think it's entirely plausible for either winning in a truly hard fight. However, my gut still says Boromir at the end of the day.
Lord Rikan wrote: P.S. I am coming up with a couple of cool Middle Earth ''fights''. See ya.
Great :>
 #142409  by Lord Rikan
 
Zaluk wrote:Awesome :> I think it's entirely plausible for either winning in a truly hard fight. However, my gut still says Boromir at the end of the day.
Lord Rikan wrote: P.S. I am coming up with a couple of cool Middle Earth ''fights''. See ya.
Great :>
Sure I know the feel, I like them both but I think the terrain of the battle would in this case allow Aragorn to win. But if they were fighting in Osgiliath im sure Boromir would win no doubt. But i guess its opinions, I used both films and movies for my analysis.