[Akimoto]

never played any kingdom hearts

Lol ive never played Kingdom Hearts either and never even wanted to try lmao

Never tried it either.

[Jato]

<.< >.> theyre not that bad

[Typhlosion]

xbox one has the problem that that thing has always to be connected to network. Plus it cant be shut down fully..it will always go in stand by mode to stay connected with network....i never was a fan of xbox..so i prefer ps4

[BadWolf]

xbox one has the problem that that thing has always to be connected to network. Plus it cant be shut down fully..it will always go in stand by mode to stay connected with network....i never was a fan of xbox..so i prefer ps4

Well here is the thing, most gamers, myself included, are always connected to the internet anyway. We also use our computers a lot of the day, which just so happens to be connected to the net, whats the dif? :)

[Clank]

xbox one has the problem that that thing has always to be connected to network. Plus it cant be shut down fully..it will always go in stand by mode to stay connected with network....i never was a fan of xbox..so i prefer ps4

Well here is the thing, most gamers, myself included, are always connected to the internet anyway. We also use our computers a lot of the day, which just so happens to be connected to the net, whats the dif?

The diference is that you have to be connected to the internet to play if someone (wich there surely is) doesnt have the internet cant play the xbox

once i dont have internet on my pc for a cupple of days i go play on my Xbox 360 but that i cant do with the xbox one

[BadWolf]

xbox one has the problem that that thing has always to be connected to network. Plus it cant be shut down fully..it will always go in stand by mode to stay connected with network....i never was a fan of xbox..so i prefer ps4

Well here is the thing, most gamers, myself included, are always connected to the internet anyway. We also use our computers a lot of the day, which just so happens to be connected to the net, whats the dif? :)

The diference is that you have to be connected to the internet to play if someone (wich there surely is) doesnt have the internet cant play the xbox

once i dont have internet on my pc for a cupple of days i go play on my Xbox 360 but that i cant do with the xbox one

Indeed granted, not everyone will be connected at all times, but the grand majority are connected or would be. Keep in mind the Xbox 360 will continue to be supported for another 4 years, that is plenty of time to fix any issues with the One :)

[Typhlosion]

i ve forgotten: if you loose connection you can play with xbox one only 24 hours..after the 24 hours you can play with xbox only when you have network connection again...

[Clank]

Well here is the thing, most gamers, myself included, are always connected to the internet anyway. We also use our computers a lot of the day, which just so happens to be connected to the net, whats the dif?

The diference is that you have to be connected to the internet to play if someone (wich there surely is) doesnt have the internet cant play the xbox

once i dont have internet on my pc for a cupple of days i go play on my Xbox 360 but that i cant do with the xbox one

Indeed granted, not everyone will be connected at all times, but the grand majority are connected or would be. Keep in mind the Xbox 360 will continue to be supported for another 4 years, that is plenty of time to fix any issues with the One

true dat but only time can tell

[Sentreth]

Well this is a tough decision. I'd say Xbox One for now but the PS4 sounds very promising. I'm a console and PC guy so I'll probably get both a new PC and a console. Console is a must because I need to play Destiny!

[MasterM]

So senbou has made a valiant effort to defend the xbox one, but I feel that I must butt in here to ask if he has read anything concerning it. (not trying to dis you sen, but everything I've read just makes me hate it more; below is a summary of what I have read, some of it may be wrong, please correct me if I am)

1. The xbox one is not backwards compatible. Every 360 game you own will not work, and will never work on the xbox one. You will have to buy all new games.

2. The xbox one is not always online, but makes a connection check every 24 hours. My internet goes out fairly frequently, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, so when I am unable to play my pc and must turn to my (hypothetical) xbox one, I have a scant 24 hours to cram in as much gaming as I can before it goes out too.

3. The xbox one does not support used or even borrowed games. Any game I buy used, I have to pay a fee of full price in order to play the game on top of what I already paid gamestop or my friend to obtain a copy of the used game. Same goes for any game I borrow from my friends. Games are locked to a specific hard drive.

4. The kinect is always on. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not exactly comfortable with a camera and microphone seeing and recording everything I do. Also, the always on tech makes it possible for some really user un-friendly moves. For instance, say you are using the blu-ray function to watch a movie with 3 of your friends. A fourth friend walks by and wants to watch as well. The kinect sees that there are now 5 people watching the movie and refuses to allow you to watch unless you pay a fee (this is not an actual thing, but the tech is there to do it, that's all I'm saying).

5. The xbox one isn't a game console anymore. It runs games in addition to doing all this other crap like play movies and let me watch tv! Gee whilickers I'm glad I can do that now, I've been waiting 15 years to get an xbox one so I can turn on my tv. The xbox 360 gained microsoft the advantage because it focused on games and gamers. Now they're headed in the complete opposite direction, while ps4 is focusing more on the games and gamers.

I am getting a lot of this from this video:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/ ... angry-rant

This vid was made pre-E3, so some of the stuff may be wrong (I think his part about the exclusives is incorrect now, but idr), but he cites his sources on all his arguments. Also he spends a lot of the video yelling and swearing because he hates the xbox one so much.

[Necros]

So senbou has made a valiant effort to defend the xbox one, but I feel that I must butt in here to ask if he has read anything concerning it. (not trying to dis you sen, but everything I've read just makes me hate it more; below is a summary of what I have read, some of it may be wrong, please correct me if I am)

1. The xbox one is not backwards compatible. Every 360 game you own will not work, and will never work on the xbox one. You will have to buy all new games.

2. The xbox one is not always online, but makes a connection check every 24 hours. My internet goes out fairly frequently, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, so when I am unable to play my pc and must turn to my (hypothetical) xbox one, I have a scant 24 hours to cram in as much gaming as I can before it goes out too.

3. The xbox one does not support used or even borrowed games. Any game I buy used, I have to pay a fee of full price in order to play the game on top of what I already paid gamestop or my friend to obtain a copy of the used game. Same goes for any game I borrow from my friends. Games are locked to a specific hard drive.

4. The kinect is always on. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not exactly comfortable with a camera and microphone seeing and recording everything I do. Also, the always on tech makes it possible for some really user un-friendly moves. For instance, say you are using the blu-ray function to watch a movie with 3 of your friends. A fourth friend walks by and wants to watch as well. The kinect sees that there are now 5 people watching the movie and refuses to allow you to watch unless you pay a fee (this is not an actual thing, but the tech is there to do it, that's all I'm saying).

5. The xbox one isn't a game console anymore. It runs games in addition to doing all this other crap like play movies and let me watch tv! Gee whilickers I'm glad I can do that now, I've been waiting 15 years to get an xbox one so I can turn on my tv. The xbox 360 gained microsoft the advantage because it focused on games and gamers. Now they're headed in the complete opposite direction, while ps4 is focusing more on the games and gamers.

I am getting a lot of this from this video:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/ ... angry-rant

This vid was made pre-E3, so some of the stuff may be wrong (I think his part about the exclusives is incorrect now, but idr), but he cites his sources on all his arguments. Also he spends a lot of the video yelling and swearing because he hates the xbox one so much.

Allow me to try and counteract your points...my God I'm actually going to defend the Xbox One.

1. Technically, the Wii U is only backwards compatible to the Wii and I believe the PS4 is only going to stream your games. Basically, backwards compatibility is double-edged sword. Sure, it would be nice to be able to keep all your games working on one console, but that adds extra price for emulation hardware and software. 599 US dollars anyone? Partial reasoning for that? The PS3 was backwards compatible for two other consoles, thus driving the price up for that extra compatibility. So, while it's nice to have, it does increase pricing at the same time.

2. This I do agree with you on. Internet, while most people might see as a necessity and that "everyone has it," isn't wholly the case. This is by and large my biggest gripe with the Xbox One, and I cannot justify this new feature, so you've got me there.

3. That's the point though. Microsoft is trying to keep the money more in the devs and their own hands. When Gamestop sells used games, only Gamestop sees any of that money, and basically cheats the rest out of anything. I'm not saying this is the right way to go, but that is still a practice I am against.

4. Firstly, I assume you have a webcam and a microphone on your PC? Who's to say those aren't monitoring you already? (OMG conspiracy ) But in all honesty, though I don't like the Kinect as a gaming peripheral, I do appreciate the technology behind it and admire what Microsoft is trying to create with it.
To your second point, that to me sounds like a whole mess of legal gobbledy gook. To have the Kinect shut down a movie simply because there are more people would be watching it sounds highly illegal and unethical to me and as evil as Microsoft can seem, I highly doubt they would do something like that. Besides, you bought the movie, so long as you're not charging admission, it's legal, so Microsoft can't stop you from having 30 people over to see it.

5. That's the point. It's the Xbox One, it's the only one you need. The PS3 and 360 were marveled last generation for being more than just gaming consoles. You could watch movies, you could stream Netflix, you could share photos. They were awesome! Now the Xbox One is adding in more features to make the system more than just a console and suddenly there's a backlash. Granted, I don't see the need for my own usage for all these extra features, but it still seems neat to me, and I don't understand why all of a sudden the concept of "more than a game console," is hated.

Those are just my two cents on the points you brought up. At the end of the day, I'd get a PS4 (after a Wii U and 3DS because Nintendo has more games that I need a console for), but that doesn't mean the Xbox One is a complete failure. I think it's still salvageable, though Microsoft is doing their best in ruining the last chances they have. All in all, it's up your guy's opinion and the games you play, and I hope the Xbox One can recover simply because the Xbox family has been so strong and made the industry better thus far.

[MasterM]

So senbou has made a valiant effort to defend the xbox one, but I feel that I must butt in here to ask if he has read anything concerning it. (not trying to dis you sen, but everything I've read just makes me hate it more; below is a summary of what I have read, some of it may be wrong, please correct me if I am)

1. The xbox one is not backwards compatible. Every 360 game you own will not work, and will never work on the xbox one. You will have to buy all new games.

2. The xbox one is not always online, but makes a connection check every 24 hours. My internet goes out fairly frequently, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, so when I am unable to play my pc and must turn to my (hypothetical) xbox one, I have a scant 24 hours to cram in as much gaming as I can before it goes out too.

3. The xbox one does not support used or even borrowed games. Any game I buy used, I have to pay a fee of full price in order to play the game on top of what I already paid gamestop or my friend to obtain a copy of the used game. Same goes for any game I borrow from my friends. Games are locked to a specific hard drive.

4. The kinect is always on. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not exactly comfortable with a camera and microphone seeing and recording everything I do. Also, the always on tech makes it possible for some really user un-friendly moves. For instance, say you are using the blu-ray function to watch a movie with 3 of your friends. A fourth friend walks by and wants to watch as well. The kinect sees that there are now 5 people watching the movie and refuses to allow you to watch unless you pay a fee (this is not an actual thing, but the tech is there to do it, that's all I'm saying).

5. The xbox one isn't a game console anymore. It runs games in addition to doing all this other crap like play movies and let me watch tv! Gee whilickers I'm glad I can do that now, I've been waiting 15 years to get an xbox one so I can turn on my tv. The xbox 360 gained microsoft the advantage because it focused on games and gamers. Now they're headed in the complete opposite direction, while ps4 is focusing more on the games and gamers.

I am getting a lot of this from this video:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/ ... angry-rant

This vid was made pre-E3, so some of the stuff may be wrong (I think his part about the exclusives is incorrect now, but idr), but he cites his sources on all his arguments. Also he spends a lot of the video yelling and swearing because he hates the xbox one so much.

Allow me to try and counteract your points...my God I'm actually going to defend the Xbox One.

1. Technically, the Wii U is only backwards compatible to the Wii and I believe the PS4 is only going to stream your games. Basically, backwards compatibility is double-edged sword. Sure, it would be nice to be able to keep all your games working on one console, but that adds extra price for emulation hardware and software. 599 US dollars anyone? Partial reasoning for that? The PS3 was backwards compatible for two other consoles, thus driving the price up for that extra compatibility. So, while it's nice to have, it does increase pricing at the same time.

2. This I do agree with you on. Internet, while most people might see as a necessity and that "everyone has it," isn't wholly the case. This is by and large my biggest gripe with the Xbox One, and I cannot justify this new feature, so you've got me there.

3. That's the point though. Microsoft is trying to keep the money more in the devs and their own hands. When Gamestop sells used games, only Gamestop sees any of that money, and basically cheats the rest out of anything. I'm not saying this is the right way to go, but that is still a practice I am against.

4. Firstly, I assume you have a webcam and a microphone on your PC? Who's to say those aren't monitoring you already? (OMG conspiracy ) But in all honesty, though I don't like the Kinect as a gaming peripheral, I do appreciate the technology behind it and admire what Microsoft is trying to create with it.
To your second point, that to me sounds like a whole mess of legal gobbledy gook. To have the Kinect shut down a movie simply because there are more people would be watching it sounds highly illegal and unethical to me and as evil as Microsoft can seem, I highly doubt they would do something like that. Besides, you bought the movie, so long as you're not charging admission, it's legal, so Microsoft can't stop you from having 30 people over to see it.

5. That's the point. It's the Xbox One, it's the only one you need. The PS3 and 360 were marveled last generation for being more than just gaming consoles. You could watch movies, you could stream Netflix, you could share photos. They were awesome! Now the Xbox One is adding in more features to make the system more than just a console and suddenly there's a backlash. Granted, I don't see the need for my own usage for all these extra features, but it still seems neat to me, and I don't understand why all of a sudden the concept of "more than a game console," is hated.

Those are just my two cents on the points you brought up. At the end of the day, I'd get a PS4 (after a Wii U and 3DS because Nintendo has more games that I need a console for), but that doesn't mean the Xbox One is a complete failure. I think it's still salvageable, though Microsoft is doing their best in ruining the last chances they have. All in all, it's up your guy's opinion and the games you play, and I hope the Xbox One can recover simply because the Xbox family has been so strong and made the industry better thus far.

Allow me a rebuttal to your rebuttal

1. Yes, backwards compatibility drives the price up, but that's more than made up for when you go out and buy versions of games you already have for the new console.

2.

3. Microsoft is trying to keep the money in their hands, and they're coming off as a huge, money-grabbing, all=powerful corporation. Used games are a mainstay of may gamers' collections, as they cannot afford to pay full price, or they resell their games after they play them in order to buy new ones. This is no longer possible and severely hurts and restricts a lot of gamers. If you watched that video I linked, the guy talks about this a lot (though I don't blame you if you didn't as it's like a half hour long lol). For instance, we each have xbox ones. You have a much better job than me and can afford a large library of cool and fun games. I have a crappy, low-paying job and I come home one day tired and frustrated and just want to chill, play some xbox one and go to sleep. Too bad, I'm poor and can't afford any games. No worries, I'll call my good buddy Necros and see if I can borrow one of his games, he has so many of them. Oh wait, I have to pay 60 bucks to borrow his games.

4. I can turn my pc's webcam off
Further, you said "as evil as Microsoft can seem, I highly doubt they would do something like that." Well, as evil as Microsoft can seem, I highly doubted they would do something like ban used games and fail to have backwards compatibility. You never know where these guys are going (plus I said it was only hypothetical).

5. "You could watch movies, you could stream Netflix, you could share photos." No one I know did any of that lol. Maybe it's different elsewhere? Well, I guess a few did stream netflix and just used a console instead of a dvd player, but the argument is that the xbox one is focusing on all of those features now, whereas they used to be essentially just extra features. The xbox 360, ps3, and probably ps4 are gaming consoles with some added features thrown in like movies and netflix. The xbox one wants to be an all-inclusive entertainment system, but that's not why people buy an xbox.

This is just my two cents on your two cents on my two cents. At any rate, I will not be buying any console because I lack the necessary funds lol.

[BadWolf]

Granted you have good points MM, let me break them down if I may:

1. The xbox one is not backwards compatible. Every 360 game you own will not work, and will never work on the xbox one. You will have to buy all new games.

Yes, the XB1 is not backwards compatible, for good reason! The entire system has been completely redesigned from scratch, kind of hard to make a new operating system with the best tech and and still support old tech when it comes to consoles. Sure it sounds easy enough from a computer standpoint, but consoles run on quite a bit of different rules.

Plus, as I have said before:

Keep in mind the Xbox 360 will continue to be supported for another 4 years

Why do you need backwards compatibility when the system you are trying to go back to still has support for so long?

2. The xbox one is not always online, but makes a connection check every 24 hours. My internet goes out fairly frequently, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, so when I am unable to play my pc and must turn to my (hypothetical) xbox one, I have a scant 24 hours to cram in as much gaming as I can before it goes out too.

For one thing, are you under the impression you have to play it for that 24 hours? That is by far the silliest idea I have ever heard lol. If that isn't what you meant then I will put this out there:

Your Xbox One is always ready: Xbox One is designed to run in a low-powered, connected state. This means your system, games and apps are always current and ready to play-no more waiting for updates.

This basically means it is always connected to your internet {wireless}, the 24 hour check is not a problem at all if your internet is always on as well because the check itself is as simple as a quick ping from your ISP. Keep in mind this may not always be the case, they may just toss out this feature altogether to make it more simple for 'gamers' with no internet.

3. The xbox one does not support used or even borrowed games. Any game I buy used, I have to pay a fee of full price in order to play the game on top of what I already paid gamestop or my friend to obtain a copy of the used game. Same goes for any game I borrow from my friends. Games are locked to a specific hard drive.

I don't know when you heard that information, but as of June 10th, the XB1 conference, that has basically been fully blown out of the water.

Here is a snip from the conference -

Access your entire game library from any Xbox One-no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend's house, you can play your games.

Also -

Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this.

So really, it is all up to the retailer, not Microsoft, in regards to used sales.

4. The kinect is always on. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not exactly comfortable with a camera and microphone seeing and recording everything I do. Also, the always on tech makes it possible for some really user un-friendly moves. For instance, say you are using the blu-ray function to watch a movie with 3 of your friends. A fourth friend walks by and wants to watch as well. The kinect sees that there are now 5 people watching the movie and refuses to allow you to watch unless you pay a fee (this is not an actual thing, but the tech is there to do it, that's all I'm saying).

Again, this is not an issue, there is no 'Big Brother' going on here, as stated at the conference:

You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don't want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say "Xbox Off." When the system is off, it is only listening for the single voice command "Xbox On," and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you'll need to turn it back on for these experiences.

So, in fact, the Kinect can be turned off whenever the user chooses, as it should be.

5. The xbox one isn't a game console anymore. It runs games in addition to doing all this other crap like play movies and let me watch tv! Gee whilickers I'm glad I can do that now, I've been waiting 15 years to get an xbox one so I can turn on my tv. The xbox 360 gained microsoft the advantage because it focused on games and gamers. Now they're headed in the complete opposite direction, while ps4 is focusing more on the games and gamers.

As I am fond of saying in real life: Can it not be both?

How exactly have they steered away from games? There are several exclusives and even titles they are getting ahead of the PS4, the console is still going to be for games {as I stated above about the sharing of games and access from any console via Cloud}. And to be frank, you are making it sound like they asked you to sacrifice a goat simply to turn your TV on to play a game, the video playing features are secondary, as they always have been. What kind of gamer thinks it is a chore to turn their TV on and play a game when it isn't even that difficult to access?

So in closing, the XB1 has taken no control from the user, they in fact are trying to give the user as much support as possible while trying to still give them freedom. The system itself is completely reworked and is meant to provide the very best in entertainment, both in quality and experience. The features many view as invasive are only as intruding as they want to believe, anybody willing to take the time to properly examine their hardware would be able to privatize their experience and still enjoy their system.

[Akimoto]

80% prefer PS4.
Xbox One only got 20%.

http://us.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

[Turtle]

I'm just going to keep playing all those Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc games on my Wii U

[MasterM]

Sen, I can see that you're a fanboy and won't be persuaded. If you watched the video I linked, you will see where I am getting this from (the video was made in response to the XB1 conference, so your 'blown out of the water' comment is, as far as I can tell, erroneous.

However, I will respond to some of the things you said.

Point 1: The system has been totally redesigned, and the 360 will be supported for another 4 years. That's...not all that long. Sure it seems long now, and undeniably 4 years is a decent chunk of time, but eventually it will end, and you'll want to play all those old nostalgic games you spent hours on in high school, but you can't. That's my main issue. I mainly only play my one console (a ps2) for the nostalgia of the old games I have, and I have a decent amount of ps1 games I enjoy playing as well (air combat, FF tactics etc.). Without backwards compatibility, you lose all of that.

Point 2: You seem to have misinterpreted what I am saying and missed the mark. My internet goes out a lot (it was out most of today in fact) and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, in the absence of the internet, I cannot play most of my pc games. Thus, I will sometimes turn to my ps2 and play some game there, since it requires no connection. What I have read says that the xbox one makes a connection check every 24 hours, and if no connection is found it essentially shuts down. So if the internet is out, and I want to play my xbox one, I only have 24 hours in which I am able to play my xbox one.

Also, you seem to have a large amount of disdain for "'gamers' with no internet". Seriously? I have just said my internet goes in and out, and you have to consider other things, like the ISP screwing up or your router breaks or all sorts of circumstances. Any one of these will shut down your xbox one after 24 hours.

Point 3: The no discs thing is neat, but games are still locked to your account (I said hard drive originally, my mistake) as your citation confirms. Therefore, I cannot let a friend simply borrow the game, I must be there in person to log in to my account and let him play it. Your other quote about the used games I don't remember seeing, is that from the conference as well? I don't remember it at any rate. What I heard was that you would be able to sell the access keys from used games back to microsoft, which they would then sell again.

Point 5: I have no idea where you are pulling this 'sacrifice a goat' thing from. That is not at all what I was trying to communicate. My point was that the xbox one allows you to watch tv, and that strikes me as rather dumb since I can watch tv without an xbox one. I don't mind that it plays dvd's and such, because that hardware is extraneous and you don't necessarily have that, but you have to have a tv to play xbox, so why is the tv a feature of the xbox, do you get me? You say the tv/movie features are secondary, but if I remember correctly one of the big things they hyped at the conference was some sort of package deal with NFL games >.> Sure they have exclusives and whatever but so does ps4, it's not really a clear-cut advantage.

Xbox one seems to be losing focus on the games, not necessarily steering away from them. The 360 focused on the games and the gamer, and was a good console because of it. The xbox one is branching out, but if you spread out your resources over more area, it will be a thinner layer, right? It's like they're spreading out to more stuff, but as a result the stuff they used to do well (the gaming experience) will consequently suffer in quality, or so it seems to me.

[BadWolf]

Sen, I can see that you're a fanboy and won't be persuaded. If you watched the video I linked, you will see where I am getting this from (the video was made in response to the XB1 conference, so your 'blown out of the water' comment is, as far as I can tell, erroneous.

For starters, I am not a 'fanboy'. You, like many others, just seem to not understand the information given to you because it is not straight to the point. As such, I broke down the reasons why your argument was invalid through reason.

Now, the video you posted, did you bother to check the time-stamp? I clearly stated my information was dated June 10th, that video is dated May 22nd, thus rendering its information outdated.

Point 1: The system has been totally redesigned, and the 360 will be supported for another 4 years. That's...not all that long. Sure it seems long now, and undeniably 4 years is a decent chunk of time, but eventually it will end, and you'll want to play all those old nostalgic games you spent hours on in high school, but you can't. That's my main issue. I mainly only play my one console (a ps2) for the nostalgia of the old games I have, and I have a decent amount of ps1 games I enjoy playing as well (air combat, FF tactics etc.). Without backwards compatibility, you lose all of that.

4 years is more than enough time for you to play your games, I still have my PS2 in fact. So better thought process, who said you had to get rid of your old system, nobody is forcing you. The importance behind the continued support is to still provide new games so people stuck with a 360 wont feel left out.

Point 2: You seem to have misinterpreted what I am saying and missed the mark. My internet goes out a lot (it was out most of today in fact) and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, in the absence of the internet, I cannot play most of my pc games. Thus, I will sometimes turn to my ps2 and play some game there, since it requires no connection. What I have read says that the xbox one makes a connection check every 24 hours, and if no connection is found it essentially shuts down. So if the internet is out, and I want to play my xbox one, I only have 24 hours in which I am able to play my xbox one.

Also, you seem to have a large amount of disdain for "'gamers' with no internet". Seriously? I have just said my internet goes in and out, and you have to consider other things, like the ISP screwing up or your router breaks or all sorts of circumstances. Any one of these will shut down your xbox one after 24 hours.

You should check out this article: http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/19/tech/gami ... index.html

24 hour check is no longer problem, comrade :P

But to bring the point to proper perspective, a connection check lasts about as long as it takes you to post on KR forums, and if you recall I stated the console is always on in a low-power state and connected. The check would not be at a set time in the day, and thus it would perform the check without you realizing it when it noticed there was a connection to check. So really, the connection check was literally never a problem.

#Winning

Point 3: The no discs thing is neat, but games are still locked to your account (I said hard drive originally, my mistake) as your citation confirms. Therefore, I cannot let a friend simply borrow the game, I must be there in person to log in to my account and let him play it. Your other quote about the used games I don't remember seeing, is that from the conference as well? I don't remember it at any rate. What I heard was that you would be able to sell the access keys from used games back to microsoft, which they would then sell again.

To quote a friend of mine, whom actually works at Gamestop:

Friends were allowed to share in your games. You had the ability to choose up to 10 friends to put on your Family share who would of HAD ACCESS TO ALL OF YOUR GAMING LIBRARY!

And again, the information from the June 10th conference stated Microsoft has no hand in the purchase of used games, that is up to the third party retailer.

Point 5: I have no idea where you are pulling this 'sacrifice a goat' thing from. That is not at all what I was trying to communicate. My point was that the xbox one allows you to watch tv, and that strikes me as rather dumb since I can watch tv without an xbox one. I don't mind that it plays dvd's and such, because that hardware is extraneous and you don't necessarily have that, but you have to have a tv to play xbox, so why is the tv a feature of the xbox, do you get me? You say the tv/movie features are secondary, but if I remember correctly one of the big things they hyped at the conference was some sort of package deal with NFL games >.> Sure they have exclusives and whatever but so does ps4, it's not really a clear-cut advantage.

Again, to quote a friend from Gamestop:

The point of the TV was to entegrate your entire entertainment experience. Say you were wanting to play a game and decided a show came on at the last minute, you have the option of seemlessly going to the TV portion of your xbox to watch it. The reason why the NFL thing was such a huge deal because it's a nice sports package to offer to fans. Hate to tell you this but they do make sports games, which in fact do sell a lot, and having the feature for them is nice. Over the course of 3-4 years Microsoft can make over $400 Million, which in the reality...Money makes business good.

Xbox one seems to be losing focus on the games, not necessarily steering away from them. The 360 focused on the games and the gamer, and was a good console because of it. The xbox one is branching out, but if you spread out your resources over more area, it will be a thinner layer, right? It's like they're spreading out to more stuff, but as a result the stuff they used to do well (the gaming experience) will consequently suffer in quality, or so it seems to me.

The entertainment genre of service and technology doesn't work like pizza dough, it can spread as far as it wants and still maintain a uniform control over said area. Business is only as weak as its marketing, XB1 may be weaker than PS4 right now, but they haven't released the console yet, giving them plenty of time to improve whatever may be wrong.

My philosophy with consoles is the same as it is with operating systems: You never buy it out of the gate or else you are left with a a mess that needs to be improved for the next year and a half.

I am not even going to be getting either console until at least 2 years from now, for one thing I cant afford them, and another is the statement above.

[MasterM]

The video was in response to the initial reveal, not the conference you were talking about. I had confused the two lol. I should stop posting when I'm exhausted >.>

Also, we should probably end this argument, as it seems to be degenerating fast into simple mud-slinging.

I know microsoft has made a lot of fixes so far, and that's good, but what worries me is the product they initially unveiled, and now it seems only after an overwhelming voice of anger from the public are they bothering to fix it.

[Akimoto]

I read rumors that they are removing the restrictions on xbox one. I hope this is true. If it is, I may "consider" getting it someday.

[Sentreth]

Xbox because you're getting your money's worth.

[MasterM]

an interview and discussion thereof:

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/aj/ ... w-xbox-one

[Creed]

I'm not even reading this, too much reading and I hate reading so... pc is better, enough said lol

[Uscari]

Lol

[Sentreth]

I dunno if anyone already posted this because I didn't read the previous walls of text. Microsoft went back on everything they said because of the feedback they were getting. The 24 hour online check in was scrubbed and Kinect is not always on. The system will operate just like a regular 360 would except without the old games. There will be no limits on used games. Basically I can download a game from the disk and give it to a friend. They scratched the 30 day limit as well. I can sell the disks I don't need because they're already on my HDD. The only thing I can't do on the Xbox One is play 360 games. Every other limit has been scrubbed by Microsoft as an intent to make everyone happy and bring more money in. I really don't mind the extra 100$. PS4 said you can't play online unless you have PS+. Which is the same price as gold XBL for a year 50$. They kind of have the same specs as well. I also heard that the Xbone's HDD was better than the PS4 in some way because it didn't have something...I don't know I can't remember. You can also personalize your Xbone dashboard to fit your personality.

[quickflint]

Man I was gonna get in on this whole thing but Mater M, Necros, and Badwolf kind of already took care of it haha. I am gonna wait for the inevitable price drop unless I can get a PS4 for Christmas. Microsoft whole business model from the beginning of this has really soured my relationship with them. For down I am just gonna wait it out or get a PS4